Dive into the world of creativity and laughter with Jason Cooper, the man behind Sock Cop! Tune in to our latest podcast episode and discover how a simple sock turned into a viral sensation. Perfect for those in need of inspiration and a good laugh!
Transcript:
Jason: Hi, my name's Jason Cooper and uh, I'm sock cop.
Marcus: Well, welcome to the podcast, Jason. I think this is gonna be one of the most fun podcasts I. Um, have ever had the privilege of doing so? Thank you for coming out today. 'cause I think this is really cool.
Jason: Well, thanks for having me. I hope so.
Marcus: Yeah,
Jason: we'll have some fun.
Marcus: Um, so for those of us that aren't familiar with your work
Jason: mm-hmm.
Marcus: You are the creator and the man behind, literally behind the character sock cop.
Jason: Right.
Marcus: Correct.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: And so you and I, I think we were trying to figure out where we, uh, knew each other from and we met mm-hmm. At like, um, uh, one of the podcast, you know, side shows if you will, for South Sounds.
I think a number of years ago when they tried to add some tech components to that, if I remember correctly. Yeah, I think
Jason: so. Yeah.
Marcus: Something like that. Yeah.
Jason: We run
Marcus: into
Jason: each other
Marcus: a couple of times
Jason: on that.
Marcus: Yeah. So, but um, I just think when you reached out and were like, yeah, hey, I'll come on. I was like, oh my God, I get to interview a sock.
Folks, if you're watching this today, there are gonna be [00:01:00] some components of this that, you know, we really don't know how this is gonna turn out, so just hang on, have some fun. So, but before we get started, before we go into any of that, I do want to know a little bit about you and, you know, some of your backstory and stuff.
Okay. Why don't we start there? Tell us about yourself and where you're from. Are you from mobile? Yeah. You know, tell us where'd you go to school? You know, what kind of stuff you've gotten into, married, you know, that kind of stuff. So,
Jason: yeah. Yeah. I'm from here, grew up here in, uh, mobile. Lived out west for a couple of years, ended up coming back and then, uh, graduated from South Alabama and then went and got master's at Alabama.
Okay. But that was online.
Marcus: Very cool.
Jason: During the, the pandemic and stuff.
Marcus: And what did you, what did you study?
Jason: Uh, digital marketing.
Marcus: Very
Jason: cool is what I got my, uh, the master's in. But I did communications at, uh, for the undergrad, so I spent a lot of time working for the local news here. Did like cameraman stuff and then moved into the marketing there.
Yeah.
Marcus: Yeah. And did, [00:02:00] did you say you went to high school here too?
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: You did.
Jason: Went to set summa.
Marcus: Very cool. So you grew up out in, in sma?
Jason: Yeah, we grew up in, uh, in Sara Land. That was before they built the, before
Marcus: Sara Land.
Jason: Sarah
Marcus: land.
Jason: Exactly. So I got, got priced right outta Sara Land. Sierra land's
Marcus: vastly different now than it was even like 10 years ago now.
Yes. So, and you said you were married?
Jason: Mm-hmm. Yes. Been married for, yeah, we have one daughter, she's six and uh, so right now I'm kind of a stay at home dad. Taking care of her.
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: Taking her back and forth to school and stuff like that, so That's nice.
Marcus: No, it's fun. And you know, I know that that's a really important.
Age too. So it's cool that you're able to do that.
Jason: Yeah, it's really nice. I'm trying to, to savor it while I can. For
Marcus: sure. Yeah, and I mean, tell us about you as kind of like. A student.
Jason: Mm.
Marcus: Were you, would you think of yourself as someone who was a good student? Or were you I'm, I was a, a solid C student, you know?
Um, so I mean, you know, and what we found is that, you know, there's across the gamut there are people, you [00:03:00] know, and there's mobile business community that, you know, failed out and didn't even go to high school. And there's that have. You know, doctoral doctoral degrees. Now you said you had your master's from Alabama, so obviously you must like school a little bit.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: But
Jason: yeah, I liked it enough. Well, I kind of grew up with, uh, that idea. 'cause my, 'cause neither of my parents graduated, uh, high school. So they were under the impression like a lot of people of that age were that. College degree.
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: That's your key to, you know, to the world. So I had that drilled in my head, so I was always pretty good at school.
It kind of came easy to me.
Marcus: Mm-hmm.
Jason: And, uh, I just sort of went through the, the paces of that. And then whenever I graduated I was like, all right, I got my degree. And everybody was like, okay, that's
Marcus: great. That's
Jason: fine. Yeah. And then, and then, you know, so I asked my family, I was like, Hey, I got the degree. And they're like, we don't know.
I never, we never made it that far. So I don't know what happens after that. So
Marcus: it's, um. We were chatting a little bit before this and it is [00:04:00] interesting how things have so drastically changed. Yes. And how parents are like, Hey, you wanna become a plumber?
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: You know, I mean, it's
Jason: so weird 'cause my dad would, he would always say stuff like that 'cause he, he did, uh, he was like a welder for a period of time.
Yeah. You know, working hard and everything. Hey, it was his idea. He didn't want me to have to go out there and bust, you know, my butt all the time. And
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: Then after graduating was like, well, I'm having tough time finding a job. He was like. You should have been a welder or something like that. And I was like, come on man.
You kidding me.
Marcus: Thanks dad. Yeah, thanks to my dad's credit, he actually tried to talk me into going into, into the traits.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: And he said, you know, like, you should have, you should go and be a plumber or HVAC or whatever first, and then, you know, used money to, to go to college. 'cause he didn't, he wasn't paying for it.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: And um, fortunately I didn't go into great debt, you know, getting my degree. But again, you know, I graduated. I did have, um, I had a different, uh, situation than you in that I was in DC and college graduates were being utilized quite a [00:05:00] bit at that time. Um, but I can see how in a smaller market it would've been, you know, a completely different experience.
But, uh, tell me about your first job. And I asked this question, you know, because we, we talk about workforce development a lot in this area.
Jason: Mm-hmm.
Marcus: And so what I. Often find is that people don't, you know, they don't consciously think about the ways that they became. Who they are and where, where they are.
Um, and I'm just wondering if there were any lessons that you remember from your first job flipping burgers or scrubbing toilets or whatever it was, you know, working on the farm or, you know, whatever that first job was. So yeah, of course. Were there any lessons that you still remember from that first job?
Jason: Oh yeah, for sure. I worked, uh, first job was at KFC, so pretty close to flipping bird. I was Dunking chicken.
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: So I was very close enough.
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: Completed toilets and stuff like that. For sure,
Marcus: for sure.
Jason: And, uh, and did that for a while. Um, what I learned from, I don't. Man, I don't know. I haven't really thought about what I learned from working fast food and
Marcus: stuff.
I mean, I usually give the exam and if there's not [00:06:00] one there, we'll move on. But I give the example of like, I didn't realize that there was really kind of a right way to do everything.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: So everything from, you know, I had a former, you know, uh, he was an officer in the Navy who I worked for in my first job, and he was like, no, there's the right way to moop the floor.
And showed me how to mop a floor. 'cause he didn't want me to have to sweep and then mop. He was like, yeah, you just get a wet mop. You know, do it this way. And floors were spotless.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: You know? Um, but anyway, anything. Yeah.
Jason: That's a good lesson to learn. I guess looking back on it now, I think it's, I try to sort of enjoy wherever I'm at in life.
Mm-hmm. Because, you know, at the time you're working, you're like, ah, well, you know, I mean, I was kill. 16, 17 or whatever when it started. So you're just doing whatever, you know, but you're like, ah, I gotta go do this job or do this thing. Whatever it is, you know, that you've gotta wake up and do that day that maybe you don't wanna do.
Marcus: Mm-hmm.
Jason: Later on down the road, you're gonna look back and be like, you know, you know, those are some good times. A lot of that gets kind of, you [00:07:00] know,
Marcus: swept under the rug.
Jason: Yeah. I get swept under the rug lot and bad parts, but I think it's still important to, you know, wherever you're at in life, good times, bad times to just be like.
Yeah, take a moment every once in a while and just kind of be like,
Marcus: well,
Jason: here's where I am. You know,
Marcus: wise words for sure. Because I mean, there, there are lessons to be learned, you know, every step of the way.
Jason: Oh, yeah.
Marcus: Um, now, so what is Sock cop?
Jason: Sock Cop is a sock. It is a, uh, it really is not much more complicated than that.
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: I had, um. I went for communications at school and so we had like a little crew of people and we would always do short films and stuff like that, enter the film scrambles and stuff downtown. And yeah, you know, we all got together, but then as we started graduating, it was harder to get people together to do anything creative.
So I had to come up with something that I could do on my own,
Marcus: right.
Jason: And I was like, well, I can get a green screen. I can make like a puppet or something that I could just. And I could do another one and have it talk to it and I could do it all by myself so that [00:08:00] way I don't have to try to coordinate everybody's schedules and stuff.
Right. And so I just looked around at what I had and I have a sock and I have, everybody's
Marcus: got a couple,
Jason: everybody's got a few
Marcus: two.
Jason: I had a, I had a police hat from, I don't even know where I got it from, but it was like another puppet. So I had the police hat and I had the sunglasses. So I was like, I'll just make a cop 'cause that's what I've got.
Marcus: That's great.
Jason: So then I just sort of spitballed from there and I was like, well, a cop's not really inherently very funny. But then I was like, well, I'll just have him go after speeders. That's his thing. Like he doesn't care. He is not worried about murderers or stopping crime or anything like that.
Speeders. Like that's what,
Marcus: so you're, you're niching down. Yeah. As they would say in the communications. Exactly. You know,
Jason: like Ma on down.
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: To
Marcus: not only a sock, but he's cop and now he's chasing speeders, but
Jason: Exactly. So that's his whole. His whole shtick is, uh, is ke its speeders, it's a gateway crime. So,
Marcus: and so you have, I mean, obviously you've put a lot of work into this 'cause we've, you know, I think that, well, that event that we met each other at was probably close to a decade ago.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: And so how long have you [00:09:00] been. Doing sock hop.
Jason: I did a couple of YouTube videos, probably around 2013, I would say. Okay,
Marcus: so 13, 14 years of
this.
Jason: Yeah, that's, and then it's been off and on. Uh, you know, I throw the videos up and I mean, it still to this day they have like 200 views. I mean, nobody,
Marcus: yeah,
Jason: just really seen a whole lot of them.
But then whenever I, I discovered a live streaming app called Periscope, and I was just watching that and. I was like, oh, I got, I got sock off. I wonder if that would be good. I hadn't really seen anybody doing that on there. Yeah. And then it just, as soon as I started the first day, it was like a bunch of people showed up and everybody was just asking questions and I just went and I was like, it kind of unlocked this thing in my brain of just like, this is fun.
Like I have a really good time doing this. Just interacting with people and just off the top of the head and
Marcus: yeah, I would imagine that that, I mean, I get it right because as a creative. You've gotta have some way to get that out. And I think all of us are [00:10:00] searching for, I mean, we're all kind of art, you know, artists, you know, um, constrained inside of this world of, you know, design, you know, and Right.
Advertising and, and stuff like that. And so, you know, we always dream about, well, you know, this job would be great if it wasn't for the clients. I'm not saying anything that, you know, nobody in the advertising industry hasn't said that you know before, because we have a vision for how something should be.
And then, you know, oftentimes the committee or the client or whomever gets a hold of it and it's like, it becomes this other thing.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: And it loses its polish to us. It's luster. And so we're all looking for that one thing that kind of becomes in a, in a way, this is my thing.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: Right. Woodworking is my thing.
I have my thing that I
Jason: Oh, that's
Marcus: cool that I get out. Good
Jason: woodworking,
Marcus: right? Yeah. And so. Um, but I get it. And so I just think it's fascinating. But I think, you know, there's something to be said here for, you know, I mean, if you had contacted me or if we had never met before and I knew that you had only been doing this for [00:11:00] like a year, I would be a lot more hesitant.
But there's something to be said for the fact that you've been doing this for longer than a decade. Yeah. And I don't, not sure what that says. I don't know that you thought about that before you actually answered that question. Yeah. That you've been doing this for as long as you have, but it's like, how do you keep that going?
Jason: That's a good question. I think just because of the fly by the seat of the pants, nature of it, because most of, most of what I do is live. I mean, I'll do prerecorded videos and stuff every once in a while, but it's just kind of, it's similar to being like on a stage or something where you don't really exactly know how everything's gonna go.
Marcus: Mm-hmm.
Jason: So each time is a little bit different and you know, I mean, there's a flow
Marcus: for
Jason: sure. You have a structure
Marcus: or something so that you can kind of constrain it.
Jason: Yeah,
Marcus: it's good. And not have a be. You know. Yeah. Explode in your face.
Jason: Exactly. Yeah. There's tent poles there that I can always go back to, you know, if, if I need to touch base, but I think it's, it's that just kind of free flowing thing because I'm, I'm a perfectionist, so for me to like, [00:12:00] make something, especially like, you know, you're talking about doing design, I've done, you know, design work and stuff for clients and everything.
So even before I present, like the first thing to them, I'm like, oh, well let me make sure and tweak every little thing. And, but when you're live, it just, it is what it is. It's just like, that's so comforting to my brain to just not have to worry about. It's
Marcus: interesting. Yeah. Because that is a massive struggle for somebody that's a, a creative that wants it to be a certain way.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: Because then when you start getting into, you know, you start getting into the video and you start thinking about, okay, this is the longevity of this, you know, this is gonna be out there, you know, and, uh, even yesterday, 'cause this whole. This woodworking thing has kind of taken a turn for me, right.
I'm starting to, I'm starting a new channel. I'm starting, you know, new social accounts. I'm starting all this stuff, just, oh, that's
Jason: exciting
Marcus: for this and, and kind of moving into a new space as a content creator. But, um, even yesterday I was like struggling with like, I needed a post for Instagram.
Jason: Mm-hmm.
Marcus: And [00:13:00] I made myself just go find something and just like first post.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: Send.
Jason: I
Marcus: have to do
Jason: the same thing. I just have to just let go
Marcus: and do it. Well, it was because it was like, if I didn't do the first one, it only gets better from there.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: Right. If I didn't do the first one, if I didn't take that first step, then I, I was worried that I would never take that first step.
Jason: Mm-hmm.
Marcus: And I think that there's, you know, being a perfectionist and being in the creative space, it's kind of like. You know, how do you, you know, like, and I guess maybe it just becomes second nature that you just like, Hey, I put the sock on and I turn the camera on and I don't even think about it anymore.
But I think, you know, there's also something to be said for, you know, just, I don't know, the, the men mentality of like, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna ship it. Yeah. It's, it's okay that it's not okay.
Jason: Mm-hmm.
Marcus: But I don't know if you have anything to add to that or,
Jason: yeah, no, that, that's hard for me. I get really precious about stuff and even now, like, I know.
TikTok and, you know, Instagram videos and things like that are [00:14:00] today by the time somebody watches this. Yeah. Maybe go, who knows what, this
Marcus: is being recorded in February, 2026. Exactly.
Jason: But, uh, but I get so precious about it because I want it to be good and I want it.
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: You know, but it, but it's, the actual game is about, you know, the shotgun approach, like as much it's a numbers game.
Marcus: Yeah. It
Jason: really is. More than it is a quality. You know
Marcus: it, it's interesting though, isn't it? Because you would think that it would be, but I think so many people go into it and they don't realize, you know, but if I think about all the channels that I've found over, say the last 10 years, that have really kind of like impressed them themselves.
On my mind it's guys that video that vlog.
Jason: Mm-hmm.
Marcus: Every day.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: It's, you know. Uh, Casey, NY Stat, it's Peter McKinnon. It's, you know, uh, the dde e guys from Daily Driven exotics. You know what I mean? Like, for a while there, every single one of those people was uploading, you know, significant amounts. And there were some videos where I would watch the whole thing, you know, you know, second by second.[00:15:00]
And there are some where it's just kinda like, eh, you know, I put it on and, you know, I, it's background noise.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: But, you know, the, but I'm still checking in and I'm still, you know, I mean, it's. I don't know what, have you ever thought about that? Is there something to that, like why is it that the, the quantity seems to matter more in that space than the quality?
Jason: I don't know. It's something I, I kind of struggle with myself, but I do the same thing. I mean, I'll put something, I'll find somebody that. You know, that paints or does crafts or something like that, and it'll just be a 45 minute video of them just doing that and I'll put it on. And then I think a lot of people do, you know, the whole second screen thing?
Yeah. So they're on their phone or whatever the Nats on. Yeah. So it's, but I still grew up, you know, watching a lot of tv and that was kind of what, you know, so I still have that mentality as opposed to the, you know, the social, like it's on in the background stuff. Right. My kind of mindset is like, this is the forefront of the attention.
You gotta like keep people's attention and do the, you know?
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: And I think, I mean, there's lessons in that for sure, but [00:16:00] as far as, that's why I say I get too precious with a lot of stuff and I'm like, oh, I could do this, but I'm like, is it good enough? And then I talk myself out of it and then I make nothing.
Which if you're trying to be online, yeah, that's, I mean, that's a death sentence you would to not have anything up there. So that's,
Marcus: no, I, um. Yeah, definitely. The, you know, quantity is making it, I don't know. There's something, there's something there, but, um, I'll have to, I'll have to dig into that a little bit more.
But you mentioned, you know, moving over, which one was it? Periscope, if I remember correctly, that you just said that you moved to and it was like people were there live. Yeah,
Jason: yeah, yeah. That was the first one thing.
Marcus: And the question normally is, do you remember the first time you made a sale or that you did, you know, whatever.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: That made you think that there might be something to this. And I'm gathering that that was that moment for you, but I don't wanna assume.
Jason: Yeah. Well that was, I mean, that was fun and it was really cool to have people show up, but then as I did, because I, I was like obsessed with it at first. I was doing it every night.
I would come home from work and I was getting home late. So, I mean, I was going on at like. Midnight, one o'clock in [00:17:00] the morning is when I would start, and it just started to build a build. And then eventually people were asking for like t-shirts and stuff like that, so I was like, all right, well, how can I make t-shirts?
And I knew a guy that had a T-shirt placed, so I went and got some made and sent. So I,
Marcus: yeah,
Jason: again, I guess it is kind of the first sale type of thing. Whenever somebody was like, I want to give you money for this. Yeah. And to me, I'm like, this is just fun.
Marcus: Right.
Jason: I'm just having a great time. Do it. I appreciate you watching.
Like that's, you know what I mean? And I still feel that way, but
Marcus: So I have to ask too, I mean like, uh, when, when you were a kid, did you watch a lot of Muppets or Fraggle Rock or any of the assorted, you know, like kind of puppet, you know, shows? Was that
Jason: Yeah, I mean, I watched whatever came on basically, you know, like Nickelodeon and stuff.
And
Marcus: I mean, I like, but what was the one that was actually like an old school? Like he used to be able to buy one that wa was like an old school sock puppet. I can't remember the, the name of it.
Jason: Oh, I'm not sure.
Marcus: I'll have to go back. Somebody that's older than, you know, 50 years old, [00:18:00] will have to, you know, get in the comments and uh, and remind us who that was.
But I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
Jason: No, you're good. I'm trying to think of who that was too. No, I mean, I was big, uh, probably cartoons more than, more than anything. I mean, I like puppets, but I've never Yeah. In the Muppets and stuff like that. I mean, I love that, but I was never like, obsessed with it.
Yeah.
Marcus: It wasn't like you had a Jim Henson, like, you know, fascination or anything
Jason: like that. Yeah, I mean, I like, I like Jim Henson a lot. He had that show, uh, I forget which one it was. I'm, it wasn't Storytellers, but it was the World of Jim Henson. Something like that. Yeah. And that was where I first, uh, saw.
Blue screen technology and how that got used. He did like a behind the scenes, like here we are.
Marcus: So how's blue screen different than green screen? I should know this. I don't,
Jason: oh no. It's just different colors by this meeting. Like, I mean, you know, I was a kid.
Marcus: Some screen. Yeah, yeah.
Jason: But just like that special effect of like, wait a minute.
Yeah, he's not really in that spot. He is like, it's just like a picture of video. What's
Marcus: just happened here.
Jason: So that blew my mind and I was like, whoa. And I was kind of obsessed with the green screen thing after that, which I didn't have the [00:19:00] capabilities to do that. Right. For another. 10, 15 years or
Marcus: whatever.
Yeah. Now you can do it for like 10 bucks.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: You know, it's like, God bless
Jason: the doubt. Yeah. I do it all the time. But the, uh, so that was really important. What was the question You said? What
Marcus: was that one? No, it was just, yeah. Were you, um, a big fan of like Muppets or Fraggled Rock or something, you know?
'cause it just seems like. You know, to go down that path, uh, that maybe there was some sort of influence. But I, I mean, I get it. 'cause, you know, I think, uh, we're not so dis dissimilar in age.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: You know, when we were growing up, there were a lot of shows that used, you know what I mean? Even like, I just got back from, uh, a trip to Disney.
Mm-hmm. And even to this day, they're still using puppetry and some of the shows, live shows and stuff like that. And so, you know, it's cool to see. But, um, so. If you were talking to someone, the, the, the question is normally if you were talking to someone that wanted to get started and running their own business, what's one bit of wisdom that you would impart to them?
But if you were, I mean, I would consider you a content creator, and, and so if you were talking to someone that wanted to get started and running a content [00:20:00] creator kind of role mm-hmm. What would you say to them?
Jason: Um, I would say a lot of things that I need to learn myself, kind of like just. The just do it thing.
Yeah. You know, make it exist before you make it perfect and stuff like that. Um, and also make sure that you
Marcus: wait, stop.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: Say it again Louder for people in the back.
Jason: Make it exist before you try to make it perfect.
Marcus: Right.
Jason: And that's something I, my brain has
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: Has big trouble with doing that.
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: But that would be a bit of advice.
Also make sure that you, it's something that you enjoy doing. I know a lot of people, 'cause now I stream on Twitch, which, you know, I do the, the puppet show and stuff, so it's not. But video games are still kind of big. So a lot of people's, they, oh, I want to be a Twitch streamer, so I'll, you get paid to play video games or whatever.
Right? But there's like a lot more to it, you know?
Marcus: These are just platforms that can be used for streaming, whatever. You know, it's, yeah. They become known for, and this isn't for you, you know, but for them, you know, it's, they're, it's really just kind of what format or what they, what features they offer, how they build community, [00:21:00] what do they allow you to do?
Sales. Can I charge membership? You know, I mean, that kind of thing. So. But, um, how do you find Twitch? You've obviously looked at some of the other platforms and you think that that's the, the one?
Jason: Yeah. Twitch is the, that's where I'm at mainly right now. I send it off to Facebook and YouTube, but for different reasons.
Most people actually see it 'cause people don't really watch it much on Facebook, but they'll see that I'm on and then they'll go to Twitch. So it's just more like an alert
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: To let people know that I'm, and then YouTube stores it. Forever. Okay. So whereas Twitch, it's only there for like two weeks or
Marcus: something.
So he'll be reminded forever and ever.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: Just how, you know, how that video went.
Jason: Exactly.
Marcus: So now what motivates you to work hard on this though? I mean, 'cause this, nobody's driving you to this. There's no manager standing over you saying, Hey, you gotta meet the deadline.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: You know, the client wants this brief done by this time.
You know, why do you even keep doing this
Jason: just while I'm doing it? And just the feeling that I get from it and talking with people and interacting, like I've [00:22:00] made a lot of friends and I've met a lot of people, you know, that started watching, and then I'll collaborate with a lot of 'em and things. So I mean, a lot of these people are, you know, become good friends and stuff.
So it's kind of like that, that sense of community that keeps me going, which is really weird that I have done it for this long because my default state is to just do nothing, right? If I don't have somebody saying, you should do this.
Marcus: Do you find that your default state is nothing or your default state is to find something new that is interesting to you?
Jason: Mm, I like looking for new things, but mentally, you know what I mean? So I'll, I'll try to find like a new hobby or something like that, or a new
Marcus: right.
Jason: Game to play or something like that. You know what
Marcus: I'm talking about though,
Jason: but Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marcus: Curiosity is my superpower. It's also my greatest weakness.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: Right. Like curiosity is what drives me to sit here and have a conversation with you about a right. A puppet. Mm-hmm. You know, a sock puppet. But, you know, it's also, it's also can be a, a detractor in the sense that, you know, like, how do you, how do you stay [00:23:00] motivated to do the same thing over and over and over again and have that, what becomes discipline after, you know, after a while.
Um, or that becomes muscle memory after a while. Um, because you know, like a lot of times, you know, like, nobody's paying me to do this.
Jason: Mm-hmm.
Marcus: I'm not making any money sitting here talking to you.
Jason: Right.
Marcus: Um, as a lot of, as a matter of fact, as I'm sure you have, I've invested lots of money and, you know, getting this PO podcast out
Jason: Right.
Marcus: Uh, to people. And so, but there's just something that I, I like hearing people's stories and I like. Learning from others. I think there's, you know. There's no better way than, you know, to learn, than to sit and have a conversation with people. And so I, I think that's kind of what drives me to keep this going.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: But that's not the same for other things that I kind of go through in my life, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. So, anyway.
Jason: Yeah, I'm the same. I had a podcast for a little while too, and I loved like talking to people [00:24:00] and that part of it I loved. And then whenever it came time to like edit it and put it all together and stuff like that, that's when I was like, oh, why am I doing this?
Eventually I stopped. That's
Marcus: why I don't edit these.
Jason: Yeah, that's, see that's the smart thing.
Marcus: You just have to record 'em and put 'em up there. Um, now are there any books, podcasts, people or organizations, uh, pick one or whatever that have been helpful in moving you forward?
Jason: Ooh, let's see.
Marcus: As a soc.
Jason: As a soc, I'm trying to think if there's anything that's kind of directly influenced that part of it.
Um, no, I mean I listen to podcasts and videos and stuff like that. I'm just creative people that do stuff. I just, I admire that so much 'cause I have to force myself to do things.
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: And I've got the drive. Like my body needs to make something, but then my body also wants to sit down and do a sandwich and just, yeah, and do that.
So that's like a constant battle. So I like seeing people that. That do stuff. So I'll, there hasn't really been [00:25:00] like a whole lot of stuff that I've just watched, like for years and years and years. I kind of pick things up and, and put 'em down.
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: So I'm trying to think of one that,
Marcus: I mean, I, you know, recently I've gotten into a YouTube channel called Dave's Auto Center and shout out to Dave, um, Centerville, Utah or where, wherever they're at.
I have no affiliation with these guys and they're diesel mechanics.
Jason: Yeah. It's so weird.
Marcus: I have never owned a diesel truck in my life. Explain to me why I'm so fascinated by this channel. You know, it's just like you get sucked into these things at times, and I, and I just, that's what I mean by like my curiosity.
Mm-hmm. Like I'm curious about diesel and about, and I think what I'm, what I look at that, the only thing that I can take away from my fascination with that is that there are principles from that that I pull out of it. Um, it's the expertise that they show, the process that they go through when they're diagnosing the vehicle.
You know how they double check everything afterwards, the integrity with which they do everything. Those are the things that I kinda look at and I'm like, man, there's [00:26:00] something to be learned here. Yeah. Like from a business perspective.
Jason: Mm-hmm.
Marcus: I can look at this and go, man, if you just took this and put it, you know, here, like it would change things and, but anyway,
Jason: see that's why you're where you are
Marcus: mindset.
Jason: That mindset of like, how can I apply this to business? I'm like. I wonder if I could make a puppet outta that.
Marcus: Do I need to use a hot glue nut or do I need to sew it? But no, I mean, I just, I have to. 'cause otherwise I'm like, I, I just look at that as, you know, wasting, you know, hours of my time. But if you look at it from the perspective of like, well, I mean, there's something to be learned from everything.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: Then, you know, what is it that I'm supposed to learn out of this, you know? Um, anyway. So what's the most important thing that you've learned about being a, a sock cop puppet?
Jason: Most important thing that I've learned.
Marcus: I'm just a creative, you know what I mean? Like I'm playing.
Jason: Um, man, that is a really good question.
Learn. I keep coming back to kind of like that sense of community really. That's, uh. [00:27:00] That's really been key to the whole mm-hmm. The whole deal for me is the other people and stuff that are around, and I don't, I don't discuss like politics or whatever, and I keep it clean. It's not, it's not like a, it is not for kids.
Right. But I want to keep it clean because to me it's, it's super easy to take something like a Muppet, but we'll make it for adults. Yeah. Extreme. Yeah. We'll make it extreme. And, you know, people have done that, you know, to varying degrees of success or whatever, but, uh, you know, it's a challenge to. To myself to keep all that stuff away.
And not necessarily because, you know, I don't have thoughts or opinions about things. Yeah. But just because it's more of a challenge that way. Right. And also kind of like the, the mundane thing. So I've got a phone line so people will call in or whatever, you know, but nobody talks like about, you know, current events or anything like that.
You know, it's always like, what'd you have for dinner? Or what's going on with you? So, you know, and that's like super interesting to me of just like. I just love people. I love they're
Marcus: looking for an escape.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: [00:28:00] You know, and that's what you're offering,
Jason: obviously. And that's, you know, and I like that. I, hopefully I can be that for, for some people.
Marcus: So when you went to, uh, you studied communications and then you said you did advertising. Is that right? For your master's? What was the degree in? Yeah, yeah.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: Alabama
Jason: Master's in Digital Marketing.
Marcus: Okay. So when you did that, what was, 'cause I know Alabama's program and if I remember correctly from uh, undergraduate, they really kind of make you choose.
Like, are you an, you know, are you a designer illustrator? Are you a videographer? That kind of thing. Did you have like a angle with which that you approached that? Like were you a writer, a videographer, a designer, or what?
Jason: Yeah, all the undergrad stuff was like, uh, that was all like design and videography and stuff.
And I worked in that for a while. But then, uh, as part of a job that I was working, I got into like data analytics and I really, really enjoyed that.
Marcus: Well, no, I'm asking for a different reason. So like, my son went to Alabama and studied advertising
Jason: Uhhuh.
Marcus: As part of that, they made him kind of like he had to, his application of that, even though he was um, he was studying I guess kind of [00:29:00] to be, become more of an art director, but he still had to know Illustrator and know how, you know, to work within that tool and you know, stuff like that.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: Whereas other people in that class were videographers and they were approaching it from that perspective. Did you have kind of a lean or were you just kind of like across the board?
Jason: Um,
Marcus: what's your, I mean, like what made you initially kind of interested in that? Was it, you know, was it the illustration and stuff like that?
Or, I mean, when you
Jason: No, it was actually, I was actually trying to kind of get away from that as, as a job, and I still, I like doing that kind of stuff and making things, but kinda like you were talking about earlier, when you do it for a client or for a company or something like that, then it's. You know, you do something, then it gets changed.
Yeah. And then it gets changed again. And then if the end result is completely different from what you know, and that's just part of, you know, when you do it for a, if somebody else is paying you to do it
Marcus: right, you
Jason: have to, then you're gonna do it for them to,
Marcus: no, I was just thinking, because like obviously what you do while off the cuff is very much kind of like you writing, [00:30:00] but you're writing immediately.
Yeah. Like somebody's giving you a question and you're writing and I just wasn't sure if you had like a background as a creative writer or something like that, because. That my background is writing English Lit degree. You know, I, I did creative writing in college and you know, like, uh, some other stuff. I was also a music major, so I have like the audio side of, you know, of things too.
Although I, that doesn't apply at all really to what I do.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: But I was just curious about, you know, that because it seems like you would have to almost. Be a creative writer in the sense of like, coming up, like, what are we gonna talk about? You know what I mean? Yeah. How am I gonna answer this question?
You know what I mean? Things like that.
Jason: So, yeah, I mean, my, my mind operates that way for sure. Um, as far as like creative writing, I've done, you know, writing and stuff. Yeah. Before I, I minored in English and undergrad, so. Okay. So
Marcus: you had that, that
Jason: angle I took into that, yeah. Yeah. But I went, the reason I went back to Alabama to get the master's, I was actually trying to get out of kind of the creative thing because.
This [00:31:00] was, I started going in right around when the pandemic hit. So this was really before like all the AI stuff really started taking off. Mm-hmm. So I wanted to go in and do like data analytics. I wanted something that I, I wanted a job that I could go in, here's how you do this job. Okay, I'm done with that job.
Now I can go home and do what I want. You know what I mean? The creative thing of it, and then
Marcus: preach. Yeah.
Jason: So that, that didn't really work out. Yeah. So that was my motivation. But as far as like everything before, I mean, 'cause I grew up, I wanted to be, you know, in a band. So I played guitar and stuff like that.
Yeah. And you know, we're always creating, doing stuff. And then you get out into the world and you're. People are like, Hey, we can use those skills, but you're gonna do for sure what we want you to do with it. You know?
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: Which is fine. Like it's
Marcus: practical application of a creative skill.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: You know, fastest way to kill a creative in on the planet.
Jason: Yeah, exactly.
Marcus: Yeah. It is just, you know, because, um, here's my next, you know, thought is, man, you really, if you have [00:32:00] that bent, you know, why not make this, you know, I guess that's main, there's my weakness coming up again. Like why not take that and, you know. Hone a a 30 minute, you know, comedy, you know, thing or something, you know what I mean?
'cause we have these guys, uh, Jeff Dunham, you know, comes to mind, like these huge superstar comedians that use puppetry as a way of making people laugh.
Jason: Mm-hmm.
Marcus: And that's obviously a space that you're living in, but you're doing it online.
Jason: Right.
Marcus: Have you ever thought about making that into something that's more, or are you gonna just keep this as like, I want this to be a creative endeavor?
Jason: I have, I definitely have thought about it before and tried to figure out. Kinda like a roadmap of what I would want to do to, to do that. And I did, especially in the early days when it first, 'cause I, I mean, I've done, you know, YouTube stuff and all this kind, but nothing,
Marcus: yeah,
Jason: nothing ever got any attention, you know?
Right. So the first thing that I did that kind of got, you know, a little bit of, uh, you know, steam behind it, and I did, I had like a pitch with, uh, with Adult Swim [00:33:00] and stuff, talking about the show and, and a couple other people that were like, Hey, let's turn this into a thing. But everybody, they all, they all took the wrong.
Kind of ideas away from it. Like they want it to be like, like a cop show with a thing. And I'm like, that's not the point. The point is not that he's right like a cop. It the
Marcus: silliness of
Jason: it. It's the silliness of the thing. Yeah. And they wanted to take, you know, oh we'll do this, but
Marcus: Right.
Jason: And like, that's not really what I wanted to.
Marcus: And, uh, and then taking something that you're doing to, you know, like get something out of you.
Jason: Mm-hmm.
Marcus: And, and then it just, now it just becomes like you're replaced your work with a thing that you love.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: I did that with photography and it kills me.
Jason: Yeah. Yeah. You see like a hobby or something. You turn it into a career and then you gotta deal with all of the.
The grinding aspects of it and
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: You know, with all the other voices and stuff, and it's just, it will, it'll suck the joy outta something. So I've been kind of precious with it, but I have thought about wanting to, you know, put together like an act to go around and do. But I just haven't, I, I just fluctuated go back and forth on
Marcus: No, I mean, [00:34:00] be in all seriousness.
'cause like, I think, you know, if you've been doing this for this long, like, and you've had, you know, some success with this, like, why, you know, why? But doing it on your terms.
Jason: Yeah,
Marcus: and I think the thing that I, you know, uh, listening to comedians talk about their process and about how they go about putting together an hour long, uh, show, um, you know, trying different angles and looking at things from a different perspective and stuff like that.
Like you have, you know, you have the ability to get online and try those things out.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: Night nightly if you wanted to.
Jason: Mm-hmm.
Marcus: You know, and I just think it would be really neat to see, you know, how far you know that, but that's me and my weakness and wanting to, like, I wanna do something that I love, you know, and I wanna have ultimate control of it.
Yeah. I wanna be, um, you know, uh, I wanna be grappling, you know, and which is, you know, a reference that you'll get, but maybe most of them won't. Um. [00:35:00] I don't know. I just think that there's, you know, there's always something there and I think you're so close. It's just like, man, encourage you to kind of like take that next step if you have it.
I
Jason: appreciate
Marcus: that. Yeah. So,
Jason: yeah, I thought about it, but, you know, and, but it also comes from, um, it, it all, it all seems to pie in the sky to really. You know what I mean?
Marcus: No, 100% because you grow up, that'll never work. Yeah. You know, but you know, and then people keep saying, no, no, you really need to do this.
Don't
Jason: try, do it. You know?
Marcus: Yeah. But whatever, because I mean, you know, the perfectionist raises its ugly head and you just need to deck it right in your nose.
Jason: I need to do that. And it's, you know, um, other people could do that kind of stuff, but I just never could. But for whatever, you know, just that self-doubt or whatever, that's, you know, a lot of my weakness comes from that.
Marcus: Well, uh, what's the most important thing that you've learned about running a business?
Jason: Oh, the most important thing that I've learned about running a business is I don't really know how to run a business.
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: I've learned that
Marcus: I have a lot to learn. Learn there's business aspect to this. Yeah. You know, I mean, obviously you're selling goods and you know, merchandise and stuff like that, so
Jason: [00:36:00] Yeah.
But
Marcus: yeah. Anything that you'd, you'd say about. You know, keeping that going or, or, uh, how to apply your skills or anything like that?
Jason: No, the hardest thing for me is just accept the fact that somebody would want to give me some money for this. That's, that's really been the hardest part of the whole deal is just, you know, I, I just wanna like, give stuff away.
Like if somebody wants a t-shirt.
Marcus: Yeah.
Jason: I'm just so like thrilled that they would want a t-shirt of something that I did
Marcus: thatm. Yeah, I get that. Yeah.
Jason: I would love to just give it, but obviously I can't just materialize 'em so
Marcus: Well. I think that most of us that are. In this kind of space. Um, we just have something, like we've said, we just have something that we have to get out.
But so we just look at it from that perspective, not realizing that most people don't think this way.
Jason: Right. Yeah.
Marcus: They don't.
Jason: Mm-hmm.
Marcus: And it's only through some conversations that I've had with a good friend recently where I've come to understand like there's no other person in the world that thinks the way that I think.[00:37:00]
There's no other person in the world that thinks the way that you think. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Like from how you per, you know, perceive things in the world to how you address problems to the experiences that you have, what you take away from those experiences. And so, you know, uh, but also just being a creative that most people don't think that way, and most people never get as far as you've gotten.
If you had even just done one episode. The fact that you've been doing this for over a decade, I mean, just speaks volumes. So, I mean that, that's, you know, my pitch to you. Um,
Jason: oh man. Thank you.
Marcus: Yeah. So now I would like to you 12 rapid fire questions, but I'm gonna ask. If you'd like to bring Sock cop into this to have him ask, ask these, answer these questions.
Jason: Sure. Yeah.
Marcus: Well, sock cop, uh,
Jason: Hey Marcus. How you doing my friend?
Marcus: I'm doing good, man. Welcome to the podcast.
Jason: Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate that.
Marcus: Yeah, man, it's great to have you here. Um, we were talking to your buddy. Uh, we were just, uh, getting some background information, but I [00:38:00] wanted to give you a chance to maybe answer a question or two.
How's that sound?
Jason: Yeah, that sounds good to me. I don't know why you're talking to that guy anyway.
Marcus: I know, man. I mean, what is he just an arm?
Jason: Yeah, he just, he just, some guy that follows me around. I don't know what his deal is.
Marcus: Well, listen, so why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself. Um, you know, you don't have to get into great detail, but, you know, just give us a little bit of information about who you are.
Sock Cop.
Jason: Well, my name is, uh, sock Cop. First name Soc, last name Cop. Uh, I've been, uh, catching speeders for a long, long time. I am a police, but a lot of people get scared about that. They think, you know, I'm gonna, you know, come up to 'em and give 'em a, you know, arrest them or something like that. But as long as you're not speeding, then uh, then we're cool.
You and me are cool and I've been doing this since, uh, well, basically since calls were invented, uh, there's time travel involved. There's a whole backstory. I don't want to get into it, but we can if you want to, but I catch the speeders and, uh, and I talked to the peoples on the internet today.
Marcus: Well, hot cop.
We really appreciate your, uh, your efforts and, uh, and keeping our streets safe, so,
Jason: well, I'm [00:39:00] trying, I'm trying. They make it hard out there though. Everybody's speeding.
Marcus: Do you have any, uh, do you have anything that you'd like to say to the drivers out there about, you know, being safe and, you know, keeping it slow and all that stuff?
Jason: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go The, uh, a lot of people get confused. A lot of people say, oh, if it's a, the speed limit is 55 and I go 56. Do I get a ticket and I'm gonna ask you a simple math question. Is 56 more than 55? Yes, it is whammo ticket for you. That is the limit. The limit is on the sign right there.
Just pay attention to that. They are, they are clearly posted all up and down the roads. So pay attention to that
Marcus: man. You are, you are, uh, as soup Nazi, as soup Nazi can be about speeding. Are you not?
Jason: Oh, that's, I love soup. Yeah,
Marcus: it's delicious. On a cold winter day.
Jason: It is.
Marcus: So, well, listen, sock cop. I got 12 rapid fire questions for You think you can handle that?
Jason: I think I can. I can. I'll do my best. Yeah. Hit me
Marcus: with it. Awesome. Awesome, awesome. So number one, what's your favorite type of music?
Jason: My favorite type of music is the rock and roll music. [00:40:00] Yeah.
Marcus: Awesome. What's your tape? Favorite type of food?
Jason: My favorite type of food. Any sort of pasta that you got. Any sort of pasta.
That's the, you
Marcus: sound like you've got some Italian influence.
Jason: Yeah, maybe. Maybe I need to, I need to spit in a tube and send it off to 23 and me see if I got some Italian in there maybe.
Marcus: That's awesome. And how about your favorite restaurant in all of lower Alabama?
Jason: Oh my goodness gracious. That's a good, you know, the unfortunate thing is a lot of times restaurants, they, uh, you know, they're here today, gone tomorrow, so I keep thinking of once.
That are around, but I do, you know, it's hard to beat the foo sles man. Hard to beat the foo sacks.
Marcus: You like their, uh, their sauces, huh?
Jason: I, I do love the sauces. I love the sauces. I hear that. I like to get one of those, uh, buffalo chicken sandwich thing. Oh man. I'm getting hungry. Just thinking about it.
Marcus: What is your favorite city outside of mobile?
Jason: Oh, man. Well, I spend some time, uh, out west. And, uh, had a good time. So I think, uh, probably Phoenix, Arizona. I really like Phoenix, Arizona. Nice. And, uh, nice and warm over there.
Marcus: Nice.
Jason: I'm a tropical sock, you know. I like, I like the warm [00:41:00] temperatures. I'm not good. Not good in the snow.
Marcus: I hear that. No. Uh, no snow for you?
Jason: No, sir.
Marcus: Now, uh, what city do you want to travel to but you haven't been to yet?
Jason: You know, I'd love to go up to like the Seattles. Area up around in the, uh, the Pacific Northwest. I wanna go looking for some Bigfoot. I would love to, I would love to catch a Bigfoot and that I, he's not around here. I've looked.
I think he's up there.
Marcus: Nice. And what comes to mind when I say guilty Pleasure.
Jason: Guilty pleasure. Ooh, it makes me think of like honey booboo or something like that. That's the first thing that comes to mind, like garbage tv, which I really love like that. Do
Marcus: you like to binge watch some garbage tv?
Jason: Oh, I love.
Love binge watching the GU tv. I was watching this daggum show on Netflix about these old people going on dates, and I was like, why am I watching this show about old people going on dates? It's because I, 'cause the remote was over there and I was over here
Marcus: Now, dogs, cats, or none of the above.
Jason: Oh, I like a dog.
I'm a big dog person. Cats, they're, uh, they're claws. They get stuck on my fibers and things. I gotta be careful with a cat. I used to have a cat and I had, I had to go get some [00:42:00] work done after playing with the cat, you know what I mean? But dogs, you know, some of 'em can be a little chewy, but I like a dog.
Marcus: I hear that.
Um, summer or or winter?
Jason: Oh, I like a summer. I like a summer. A
Marcus: winter. Yeah. We, I think we covered, you don't like the cold.
Jason: Yeah, I don't, I I do not do well in the snow. I'm very, you know, you would think. That may be because I made a cotton that I'd be insulated. But, uh, it's, I'm very breathable.
Marcus: Right.
Jason: Very breathable market, so it's hard for me.
Marcus: Now you mentioned, uh, a dating show, but are there any favorite of your favorite movies or TV shows?
Jason: Oh man, you know, my, probably my favorite movie of all time is, uh, is Young Frankenstein. I love that movie.
Marcus: Now why is that Sock Cop?
Jason: Well, because it's hilarious. That movie's so funny and it's, it is like an old movie too.
A lot of times you watch an old movie and they say like, all these old timey jokes, like you saw, do not have the look of a fish that is blue or something like that. And I'm like, what does that mean? I don't get it. But all this humor holds up, so it's still really good.
Marcus: No, that's great. And what's your favorite holiday?
Jason: Oh, Halloween. I'm a big Halloween guy. I love that. I like the, I like the trick or [00:43:00] treats, and I'm al already, uh, in costume, so it makes it easy for me.
Marcus: No, I see. That's great Now, and do you have a favorite color?
Jason: Uh, green. Green is my favorite color. 'cause it's the, uh, it means that you can go, you don't have to stop anymore and you can go at a reasonable speed.
That's my favorite cup
Marcus: now. Sock cup. Do you have a favorite cereal?
Jason: Oh, I love cereal. Yes, indeed. I like honeycomb. Honeycomb is good. That's probably, uh, one of my favorites. And, uh, it also, you know what, you know what I like? Uh, I like, uh, what is that stuff with the almonds? The alman? No, the, what is it called?
Honey Bunches of Oats. Yeah, because it's just fun to say with the almonds.
Marcus: That's great. Now, sock cop, this is a little more serious question, so you can try and answer this as best as you can.
Jason: Okay.
Marcus: What are you most thankful for?
Jason: I am most thankful for all of. The peoples that surround me, all the peoples that, uh, that are around, the people that hang out with me.
And, uh, you know, the ones that, uh, that I talk to all the time, [00:44:00] you know, I, I get a little emotional thinking about it. All of my good, uh, all of my good friends and colleagues and stuff, but just the people around me, that's what I'm most thankful
Marcus: for. That's amazing. Even the soc can have feelings, folks.
Jason: Oh, I got, I got deep feelings.
I got deep feelings.
Marcus: I hear that. Well, sock Cop, I appreciate you making an appearance on our podcast. Anything else you'd like to add?
Jason: Uh, yeah, just don't be speeding out there. Just live life at a reasonable speed. Then, uh, you'll enjoy it a lot more that way.
Marcus: Alright, sock cop. Thank you so much.
Jason: Nice Smooches for you is my friend.
Thank you.
Marcus: We'll talk to you soon. Um, so tell us a little bit about where people can find you.
Jason: Um, mostly on Twitch is the thing. I have a website, soop rocks.com. Okay. But I think it just goes to my Twitch now.
Marcus: Okay.
Jason: I used to have a website, but then. No, I don't.
Marcus: Sure. It just becomes another thing you have to maintain.
Yeah. And I think Twitch offers a lot of the same functionality.
Jason: Yeah, it's a lot of things because basically what I, the website was just trying to get people to watch on Twitch anyway. Yeah. So I was just like, I'll just quit [00:45:00] paying this thing a year. Yeah, yeah. And just have it go there. So there's, I got a lot to learn with a lot of that part too, but a lot of things I need to, to do on that end.
But yeah. Uh, sock Cop used to be. The like second or third thing that came up when you Google now, now I'm, now I'm further up in the, in the ranks there was like a little, uh, plastic clip called a sock cop, and it held, it holds your socks together. In the laundry and they called it a sock cup. So when I first started, that was like the first thing that
Marcus: came.
But you, do you outrank it now or do you know, or have you not, have you not checked?
Jason: I, the last time I checked, but you know, it's different for everybody with, uh, Google results and all that kind stuff For sure. But I, I got people one time on the stream. I was like, Google it and see what comes up. And there I
Marcus: Googled, obviously when you said you wanted to come on, I Googled just to see, you know, what.
Where you were showing up.
Jason: Yeah.
Marcus: And I don't remember ever seeing anything other than you, so,
Jason: yeah. Yeah, I think I, I think I overtook 'em down. Yeah. I'm happy about that.
Marcus: You took those, uh, plastic clips down, so. All right. Well, I wanna thank you again for coming on the podcast to [00:46:00] wrap up any final thoughts or comments you'd like to share?
Jason: Uh, thanks so much for having me. This has been, uh, one of the funnest podcasts that I've been on that you asked some, some good questions and stuff, and I appreciate your. Your advice?
Marcus: Yeah,
Jason: I, I think, um,
Marcus: it's free.
Jason: I know. I'm almost, well expect it to bill in the mail after this, but
Marcus: No. So I appreciate that you do it at what you will, you know how free advice is, you know, everybody's, it's like assholes.
Everybody's got one. So, um, but no man, I mean, I think, you know, I think people creating is something to be celebrated, whether you're creating a business or creating videos online to make people forget about their business problems. Yeah. You know, I mean, there's value in that.
Jason: So I appreciate that. Thanks for having a lot of, uh, big wigs have sat on this couch.
It's an honor to be here, man. I appreciate that.
Marcus: Anyway, well sock cop, I appreciate your willingness to sit with me and share your journey as a business owner and entrepreneur. It's been great talking with you, man.
Jason: Appreciate it.
